tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post3214542061909122645..comments2023-05-09T06:00:19.599-04:00Comments on Autistic Hoya — A blog by Lydia X. Z. Brown (2011-2020): Not human anymore - Is this what "ally" means?Lydia Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13484063914873791571noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-11632801118630585072014-04-30T02:11:48.343-04:002014-04-30T02:11:48.343-04:00But you are wrong for what you do
I have flesh and...But you are wrong for what you do<br />I have flesh and eyes and bones and a beating heart<br />I breathe the same air as the rest of you do<br /><br />I am human like the rest of you<br /><br />Even if you chain me down to beat me to the point of death<br />Even if you try beat me down with words to the point of suicide<br />I won't lose or bow down to what you do to us<br /><br />Not after Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09965666390112039538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-63783570311916961872012-03-24T10:02:14.640-04:002012-03-24T10:02:14.640-04:00Genocide requires a systematic and deliberate inte...Genocide requires a systematic and deliberate intent. The availability of abortion and prenatal testing is not even close to meeting that definition. What happened during the early 20th century in the eugenics movement would perhaps qualify but parents being given information and then making the choice as to whether or not to continue a pregnancy does not come close. With prenatal testing there Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-32204915066292335672012-03-24T01:25:18.328-04:002012-03-24T01:25:18.328-04:00Currently, the U.N. does not recognize disability ...Currently, the U.N. does not recognize disability (or sexual orientation, or a number of other groups, for that matter) as a category for genocide protections at all - an oversight that I don't believe is correct, where the mentality is the same in all cases - "the world would be better if ____ people did not exist." And whereas I fully believe a number of individual people and Shain Neumeiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-60082586783776610622012-03-22T23:56:44.110-04:002012-03-22T23:56:44.110-04:00Since when has the UN or any non anti-choice organ...Since when has the UN or any non anti-choice organisation defined voluntary abortion or prenatal testing as a genocidal act? Yes, fetuses are screened for Down's Syndrome as well as many other genetic disorders so that parents have as much information as possible so they can make the right choice for them. I don't see it as a negative thing that parents who either cannot handle a child Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-56393287266150697652012-03-22T20:23:35.202-04:002012-03-22T20:23:35.202-04:00Sterilization has NOT been declared unconstitution...Sterilization has NOT been declared unconstitutional in the United States. Many states have passed their own laws banning sterilization, but as far as the U.S. Constitution is concerned, sterilization on the basis of some disabilities is permissible.<br /><br />Please, go ahead and tell the U.N. that you don't like their definition of genocide, which explicitly includes a provision about &Shain Neumeiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-22445430886743303922012-03-21T15:54:34.061-04:002012-03-21T15:54:34.061-04:00As far as I know, sterilisation has been abolished...As far as I know, sterilisation has been abolished/made unconstitutional in most developed countries, which leaves only abortion as some sort of genocidal action. This is a ridiculous comparison and incredibly insulting to women as well as victims of genocidal regimes that have suffered unspeakable brutality. Pre-natal testing isn't a policy of eradication - it is giving a woman all availableAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-91667743258469408012012-03-21T11:07:13.838-04:002012-03-21T11:07:13.838-04:00Legally speaking, "innocent until proven guil...Legally speaking, "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't apply to the presumption of sanity. Insanity is an affirmative defense to a crime - that is, a defendant accused of murder must assert and prove that they were not able to tell the difference between right and wrong at the time they committed the crime. If there was any doubt as to actually killed Shain Neumeiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-5513253665484502422012-03-21T08:59:00.761-04:002012-03-21T08:59:00.761-04:00I thought we lived in a society where people aren&...I thought we lived in a society where people aren't presumed guilty before being proven so beyond a reasonable doubt. Had she lived, the type of homicide that she committed would be a question of fact for the jury to decide. No, mere stress is not enough to negate mens rea, but if she was suffering enough stress that she was no longer able to discern right from wrong then that would be. AgainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-38694878394672680792012-03-21T01:02:55.714-04:002012-03-21T01:02:55.714-04:00No one has produced evidence to support the belief...No one has produced evidence to support the belief that Elizabeth Hodgins was legally insane when she killed her son, other than the fact that she mentioned she was stressed. Legally, the presumption is that a killer is sane, or, in other words, that they knew the difference between right and wrong enough to know that they were doing was wrong when they committed the act. "Stress" by Shain Neumeiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-4080667248837296582012-03-20T16:10:53.269-04:002012-03-20T16:10:53.269-04:00Something doesn't automatically become a fact ...Something doesn't automatically become a fact just because you say it is. Yes there was a homicide, whether it was murder or another form of homicide is a debatable issue. <br /><br />It also doesn't matter if some people have had positive experiences with institutions, homelessness, etc. It matters what was in the mother's mental state and in her mental state, having her child lockedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-12492148471140985772012-03-20T13:45:28.878-04:002012-03-20T13:45:28.878-04:00This argument really isn't about being "P...This argument really isn't about being "PC" or whether any particular person was under a lot of stress. I'm willing to believe that any suicidal person probably was under a lot of stress. In fact, I have repeatedly said that I don't strongly condemn people who decide that caretaking duties are too stressful and that they don't want to do them anymore. I <i>do</i> Twitchy Womanhttp://whoselaw.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-24048789006444579752012-03-20T10:06:29.335-04:002012-03-20T10:06:29.335-04:00Why shouldn't I refer to someone as a burden -...Why shouldn't I refer to someone as a burden - some people are burdens. That doesn't mean that their families don't love them, but it does mean that taking care of them is difficult and stressful. Yes it is a burden having to take care of someone who can barely speak, wears diapers, doesn't acknowledge who you are and can be violent. Taking care of a person like that is difficult,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-67626832598256457802012-03-19T23:35:00.770-04:002012-03-19T23:35:00.770-04:00So you endorse killing people so that they won'...So you endorse killing people so that they won't go to an institution or be a "burden" on a family member? Do you really think either of these situations is worse than death?<br /><br />Death. It's this thing where you're not alive anymore and things can never get worse but also can never get better. You don't have a life anymore because you only got one and that one is Twitchy Womanhttp://whoselaw.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-70100487424307834422012-03-19T23:26:58.810-04:002012-03-19T23:26:58.810-04:00Do not EVER refer to a human being as a burden. I...Do not EVER refer to a human being as a burden. If you had any kind of idea about the historical and cultural baggage that that carries, you would not say that about anybody... especially given the history it has with people with disabilities.<br /><br />Autistic people deserve services. But we also deserve to live in a world where our lives are not held hostage by our supposed loved ones and Shain Neumeiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-400350018562297382012-03-19T19:57:29.499-04:002012-03-19T19:57:29.499-04:00Right, so if the situation were reversed and an au...Right, so if the situation were reversed and an autistic child murdered their parent there would be such an outcry to remember the victim? I think not. I think it would be "oh poor kid, the mother must have made him do it." I'm making assumptions based on my own observations and from articles about George's situation - and whether he was violent or not, he was still someone who Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-71416849271554622902012-03-19T19:14:08.267-04:002012-03-19T19:14:08.267-04:00As Shain noted, there's no evidence that Georg...As Shain noted, there's no evidence that George was violent. <br /><br />Plus let's go a little deeper and look into what's acceptable even if you <i>are</i> stressed beyond your limits and totally can't live with your child in your home anymore:<br /><br />Don't live with your child in your home. <br /><br />Seriously. Just don't. Nobody can force you to live with this Twitchy Womanhttp://whoselaw.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-7952588019853043942012-03-19T18:03:03.934-04:002012-03-19T18:03:03.934-04:00No, it would not be okay for an Autistic person to...No, it would not be okay for an Autistic person to kill his or her parent (or partner, or spouse, or friend, or sibling...), because murder is wrong, no matter who does it and no matter who the victim is. How does "It's not okay to murder Autistic people" imply that it's alright to murder people who are not Autistic?<br /><br />You have admitted that you don't know the Shain Neumeiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-45605576880580310702012-03-19T16:22:23.557-04:002012-03-19T16:22:23.557-04:00So if an autistic person killed their parent, that...So if an autistic person killed their parent, that would be ok right? And no I don't think it is ableist to be concerned about the violent behaviour of some(obviously not all) autistic people. No family member should have to live in fear of their loved ones. I don't know George's situation but I've read and seen enough cases of parents who are dealing with children who are violentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-33334866595885345152012-03-19T14:45:16.603-04:002012-03-19T14:45:16.603-04:00Edit: "When you're comparing a human bein...Edit: "When you're comparing a human being negatively against a dog..." etc.Shain Neumeiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-59492024652011316162012-03-19T14:43:08.679-04:002012-03-19T14:43:08.679-04:00First of all, it IS ableist - no scare quotes need...First of all, it IS ableist - no scare quotes needed - to assert that a person is "bordering on human." This is exactly why the "low-functioning"/"high-functioning" way of talking about Autistic people is so problematic, as it so easily leads into the kind of dehumanizing way of talking about some Autistic people. And really, when you're comparing a human beingShain Neumeiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-81810726014271890282012-03-19T13:40:43.780-04:002012-03-19T13:40:43.780-04:00Ok so I think you understand that this makes you a...Ok so I think you understand that this makes you ableist, but it also just isn't logically consistent.<br /><br />If "violent" autistic family members are not human and you don't really care about their feelings? Don't live with them. You don't have to. They're legal adults. Tell the state to find them a place to live, wash your hands of them, and move on. Maybe you Twitchy Womanhttp://whoselaw.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-68544221264843177582012-03-19T13:39:53.954-04:002012-03-19T13:39:53.954-04:00Ok so I think you understand that this makes you a...Ok so I think you understand that this makes you ableist, but it also just isn't logically consistent.<br /><br />If "violent" autistic family members are not human and you don't really care about their feelings? Don't live with them. You don't have to. They're legal adults. Tell the state to find them a place to live, wash your hands of them, and move on. Maybe you Twitchy Womanhttp://whoselaw.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-11485434656658251282012-03-19T09:22:04.069-04:002012-03-19T09:22:04.069-04:00With all due respect, some of the lower functionin...With all due respect, some of the lower functioning autistics do border on human. There was an article about a mother's struggle with her 20 year old son who is extremely violent, destroys everything in his path and has no understanding of anything around him - that is something that a family dog wouldn't do. My boyfriend who has very mild Aspergers sometimes loses it and it is terrifyingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-50326969115228707002012-03-19T05:34:04.033-04:002012-03-19T05:34:04.033-04:00i have no words - just stunned, sad silence.
tha...i have no words - just stunned, sad silence. <br /><br />thank you for writing this. it's beautiful, it's heartbreaking and most of all it's something we all need to to hear, feel, internalize and carry with us as we move forward. <br /><br />george and all of those who tragically came before him can never be forgotten. <br /><br />(and i hope you'll send it to mr badesch and ms jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12741476791827870513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-338581633491322703.post-1112604510096343722012-03-19T03:07:18.698-04:002012-03-19T03:07:18.698-04:00I have Autism, PTSD and BPD, I have a lot of empat...I have Autism, PTSD and BPD, I have a lot of empathy for anyone that is forced by suffering to commit suicide and I fight against stigma about mental illness, I don't see any prejudice on this post, I see the necessary mention of the innocent person that was murdered and forgot, the person that died and no one mentions.<br />She could be in pain, she could have killed herself and only herselfAliciahttp://mybrainyourbrain.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com